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Message from the President Concerning South Carolina's Vote on the First Proposed 13th Amendment

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Message from the President Concerning South Carolina's Vote on the First Proposed 13th Amendment

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Monroe, James, and others. Message from the President of the United States, Transmitting, A Letter from the Gov. of South Carolina, and Extracts from the Journal of the Proceedings of the Legislature of that State, Relative to the Thirteenth Article of the Amendments to the Constitution of the United States. Washington: E. De Krafft, printer, 1818. 8vo, disbound, 8pp. Page 5 is Andrew Pickens' cover letter to the President stating that as Governor of South Carolina, he is transmitting the results of that state's legislative vote on the amendment approved by the U.S. Congress on 1 May 1810. Page 6 is the Extract from the Journals of the Senate (SC) who approved the amendment in Nov. 1811, and passed it along to the state House. Page 7 and 8 are extracts from the Journals of the House of Representatives (SC) in which the process of this consideration occurred, it having been sent to committees a couple times, came up for votes, but was not acted upon in either 1811 or 1813, then laid there for another period of time. The first committee recommended acceptance of this proposed amendment, but it was not brought up for a vote in the full house. It then appears to have been forgotten for a period, and was brought up again. This extract from 21 Dec. 1814 concludes: "... [The members of the House] are not aware that any evil consequences have resulted from the existing provisions of the constitution,... Under these views of this important subject, your committee recommended the rejection of the aforesaid resolution, which is in the words following: 'Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following section be submitted to the legislatures of the several states, which, when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states, shall be valid and binding as a part of the constitution of the United States - If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument, of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them or either of them.' ... Resolved, buy the senate and house of representatives of the state of South Carolina, that the foregoing amendment, proposed by Congress to the constitution of the United States, be disagreed to, and the same is hereby rejected on the part of this state." It is not clear why it took South Carolina four years to transmit their vote to Washington, DC. It is understandable that some sessions had more pressing issues to be considered, and thus no vote was taken on this amendment proposal, but once they voted, the message did not reach the Federal level. The so-called Titles of Nobility Amendment, quoted in the South Carolina extract, was approved on 1 May 1810. Congress did not set any time limit on the ratification of this amendment, so it is technically still pending (and as, always, someone wants that to happen). This amendment expanded Article I, Sections 9 and 10 of the constitution, which prohibits the federal government (9) or states (10) from issuing titles of nobility. Most of the states who rejected this amendment concluded, like South Carolina, that they knew of no cases where persons had accepted titles from other governments (no "evil consequences"), and thus, in their view, the constitution was adequate as written, and this amendment unnecessary (not that they were opposed to it per se). Twelve states did ratify: Maryland (12.25.1810); Kentucky and Ohio (both 1.31.1811); Delaware (2.2.1811) Pennsylvania (2.6.1811); New Jersey (2.13.1811); Vermont (10.24.1811); Tennessee (11.21.1811); North Carolina (12.23.1811); Georgia (12.31.1811); Massachusetts (2.27.1812); and New

Auktionsarchiv: Los-Nr. 396
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13.10.2017
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Cincinnati OH 45232
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Monroe, James, and others. Message from the President of the United States, Transmitting, A Letter from the Gov. of South Carolina, and Extracts from the Journal of the Proceedings of the Legislature of that State, Relative to the Thirteenth Article of the Amendments to the Constitution of the United States. Washington: E. De Krafft, printer, 1818. 8vo, disbound, 8pp. Page 5 is Andrew Pickens' cover letter to the President stating that as Governor of South Carolina, he is transmitting the results of that state's legislative vote on the amendment approved by the U.S. Congress on 1 May 1810. Page 6 is the Extract from the Journals of the Senate (SC) who approved the amendment in Nov. 1811, and passed it along to the state House. Page 7 and 8 are extracts from the Journals of the House of Representatives (SC) in which the process of this consideration occurred, it having been sent to committees a couple times, came up for votes, but was not acted upon in either 1811 or 1813, then laid there for another period of time. The first committee recommended acceptance of this proposed amendment, but it was not brought up for a vote in the full house. It then appears to have been forgotten for a period, and was brought up again. This extract from 21 Dec. 1814 concludes: "... [The members of the House] are not aware that any evil consequences have resulted from the existing provisions of the constitution,... Under these views of this important subject, your committee recommended the rejection of the aforesaid resolution, which is in the words following: 'Resolved, by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, two thirds of both Houses concurring, that the following section be submitted to the legislatures of the several states, which, when ratified by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states, shall be valid and binding as a part of the constitution of the United States - If any citizen of the United States shall accept, claim, receive, or retain any title of nobility or honor, or shall, without the consent of Congress, accept and retain any present, pension, office or emolument, of any kind whatever, from any emperor, king, prince, or foreign power, such person shall cease to be a citizen of the United States, and shall be incapable of holding any office of trust or profit under them or either of them.' ... Resolved, buy the senate and house of representatives of the state of South Carolina, that the foregoing amendment, proposed by Congress to the constitution of the United States, be disagreed to, and the same is hereby rejected on the part of this state." It is not clear why it took South Carolina four years to transmit their vote to Washington, DC. It is understandable that some sessions had more pressing issues to be considered, and thus no vote was taken on this amendment proposal, but once they voted, the message did not reach the Federal level. The so-called Titles of Nobility Amendment, quoted in the South Carolina extract, was approved on 1 May 1810. Congress did not set any time limit on the ratification of this amendment, so it is technically still pending (and as, always, someone wants that to happen). This amendment expanded Article I, Sections 9 and 10 of the constitution, which prohibits the federal government (9) or states (10) from issuing titles of nobility. Most of the states who rejected this amendment concluded, like South Carolina, that they knew of no cases where persons had accepted titles from other governments (no "evil consequences"), and thus, in their view, the constitution was adequate as written, and this amendment unnecessary (not that they were opposed to it per se). Twelve states did ratify: Maryland (12.25.1810); Kentucky and Ohio (both 1.31.1811); Delaware (2.2.1811) Pennsylvania (2.6.1811); New Jersey (2.13.1811); Vermont (10.24.1811); Tennessee (11.21.1811); North Carolina (12.23.1811); Georgia (12.31.1811); Massachusetts (2.27.1812); and New

Auktionsarchiv: Los-Nr. 396
Auktion:
Datum:
13.10.2017
Auktionshaus:
Cowan's Auctions, Inc.
Este Ave 6270
Cincinnati OH 45232
Vereinigte Staaten von Amerika
info@cowans.com
+1 (0)513 8711670
+1 (0)513 8718670
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